Sunday, August 11, 2013

Succubus Summoning 207 and Plot vs Porn

It wasn't quite the first week of July as I was hoping, but I did finally manage to post Succubus Summoning 207 up on Literotica last week.  It was an awkward chapter to write as it features the reality-bending, fourth-wall-breaking Cέrμləa and her mind-melting description of how the universe of Succubus Summoning works (and also a few oblique hints to my other stories as well).

I was curious to see how this chapter would be received.

Anonymous - "this shit sucks!  THis is so fucking boring. Wheres all the fucking? I went fucking limp during this"

:(

Um, yeah...well...

To be fair, I'm highlighting one negative comment when most of them have been positive (thanks for those!).  Quite a few people were asking for more plot and background and I hope 207 delivered on that.

Plot versus porn is an interesting discussion.  I find a lot of modern porn a little dull and mechanical because it's completely stripped down to only the sucky-fucky.  On the other hand, in adding plot/characterization/background/etc it's easy to lose sight of what an erotica/porn story should do - arouse.  Water down the sexy bits too much and you end up with a tasteless gruel no one is going to find appetizing.  That's why I tend to stick to the classic erotica rule: Every Chapter Must Have A Sex Scene.

In this case Cέrμləa was going to provide the exposition and Ab'ĝalga the sex scene.  And then the sex scene came out...weird.  Don't get me wrong, I like how it turned out, but I'm fully aware it won't be everyone's cup of tea.  Then, given my other stories, this probably isn't much of a surprise.

The tl;dr version - this chapter was long and weird, normal succubus fucking will resume next month(ish).

And because this is probably the best place for it, here's some clarification for points raised in the Lit comments.

First off an important point on source reliability.  If you're a fan of Doctor Who you'll be aware of Moffat's "The Doctor lies" whenever a retcon is required.  Cέrμləa is a daemon.  Daemons lie.

On the inevitability of hell reabsorbing worlds - Cέrμləa perceives time very differently.  Many inevitable things take a very long time to occur.  (no one sweats that much about the sun going supernova and turning the Earth into a cinder even though this is part of the inevitable life cycle of a star)

Ab'ĝalga would have dissolved Phil if she'd decided he was too 'ordinary' (and Cέrμləa was aware of this).

Yes, there was a nod to the hell-space series of stories.

207 is at the upper range for chapter length.  It's easy for some fantasy series to get longer and longer as the writer gets more into it.  Personally I think this is a warning sign the writer is losing control of their story.  I'll be trying to get future chapters down to a more manageable 5,000 words or so (plus, I have to keep some stuff back for the inevitable ebook).

If you have any more questions/feedback feel free to put them in the comments below.

I'm aiming for first week of September for 208, although this will probably slip given my usual slowness.  It will feature Cέrμləa - or rather a facet of Cέrμləa we haven't seen before - and will see Phil visiting another dominion.

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17 comments:

  1. As I stated on literotica, the "limp dick" comment was likely more do to pacing/length of the end sex scene and not a reflection of the cerebral content or the expanded style.

    Adjusting those "hit" elements because a "base" troll couldn't get their jollies is giving wayyy to much power to that person! Especially since he likely already tanked the rating of your story by abusing the inflation in Literotica's gradient rating system.

    So Hydra, do your fans a favor and keep experimenting with your art. If you change anything, give a nod to limp dick by having Nyte give a "special kiss" in the next story.

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    1. Hehe. Not changing anything. I included the comment more for the amusement. Pretty much every writer on Lit gets comments like that. I'm surprised I don't get more considering some of the directions my stories head off in! :)

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  2. It was interesting to see another reference to that memory Phil held on to. Are we ever going to see what that memory is?

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  3. I thought the combination of porn and plot was fine, but I wasn't really into the giant jelly girl. As Civildeviation said, though, I'd rather you keep experimenting than trying to play it safe.

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    1. I think I gave up on that being a hot sex scene when she insisted on pushing tendrils into Phil's brain. :)

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    2. I have to be honest and say the giant psychic demon didn't do it for me either, but I'd rather you keep having new ideas including something I (as one reader) don't find appealing, than churn out nothing but chicks with wings (very nice as they are).

      ...did like the idea of her literally turning Phil on though!

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    3. That said, the writing was still stellar, it was just this time it was more of an exposition piece than a sucky-fucky-die-bye (as Malcolm Tucker would probably call it were he Wargsnouts' head of comms).

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    4. 203 and 207 are the main exposition chunks. Normally I'd have a better balance of plot/porn, but those 2 chapters were both beefy on the background/introducing new character.

      (although it was 205 that sat around unfinished while the story was on that long hiatus)

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  4. First I really would not worry about one negative comment, especially since it is only a exclamation and does not contain any actual suggestions for improvement... That is not a true review, that's trolling.

    Second, I think plot is very necessary for multi chapter series like this. I can forgive a lack of plot in a short oneshots (if it's really hot :D ) but anything longer would imo be boring without it.
    This chapter actually answered a lot questions I had (yes, I actually ponder about stuff in erotic literature)... So yeah, plot is good... The rule for at least one sex scene in every chapter is of course good too.

    And while I prefer the normal succubish fucking too, I definitely enjoyed this as well.

    Looking forward to the next! Cheers!

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    1. Cheers! Next chapter will be normal(ish) succubus fucking.

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  5. I am definitely one of the people interested with plot to go with my erotica.

    If your open to suggestions can you put in some permanent power upgrades for Phil at some point preferably with some hilarious side effects :D It only makes sense for the succubi to do stuff to make Phil more ... durable :P

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    1. I think Phil will pick up a few new skills and abilities. ;)

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  6. I haven't continued reading the series from 201 on yet (read the 100s back in 2011).

    Since it is a rather long series based in a world that you are outlining and shaping over tens of thousands of words, I think there is definitely a necessity for plot and rule/lore heavy installments. Otherwise you end up with characters who feel like cartoon characters in their simplicity (only one or two revealed defining personality traits, rules limiting, or drives guiding them) or a world too similar to our own to make it interesting enough to make up for weak characters (For example, zombie apocalypse style media tends to rely on world rather then characters).

    Since the saga is as large as it is, id take any bitching that there is "too much lore/plot" as a positive thing. Its a long haul world your creating, not a wham-bam drained you man thing.

    As for people not feeling the sex scene, Ive read most of your work on literotica and some on here. Your variability is interesting to me, I like that you test and try things even if you know they are going to be less well received by the general public. What makes it noteworthy is you dip into it, but unlike many you keep it classy (off the top of my head a fecal bubble from a dragon comes to mind, a monster pink flesh orgy, you touched furries in a good way, and I know Ive seen piss play somewhere in there. Not to mention routinely murdering protagonist). Makes you unique enough to keep an eye on.

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    1. Thanks! I like to keep readers on their toes. Never know what's coming next! :)

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