Here is some more lovely harlot art, this time of the lovely, refined and not at all dangerous (*ahem*) Mademoiselle Vête Piège.
This is courtesy of my patron, Atlantis 27, who commissioned artist Thraeh for the pieces and was kind enough to let me share them here.
More of Thraeh's work can be found on DeviantArt here:
I like the contrast between her sophisticated clothed look and coquettish naked look on the bed. And remember the rules with Vête Piège - on top of the bed, not in-between the sheets!
Love it Hydra! It really catches the "heaving bosom" look quite well. Great work Atlantis 27! Too bad Vete is such a trickster.
ReplyDeleteAnyway, when a succubus runs into a man that they can't charm or beat down, will they run or play the poor helpless victim act? Say Rosa, Nurse Honey, or Nicole is cornered by a strong human they can't charm or beat up, what would they do?
Will they attempt to act like the goblin children from Goblin Slayer? Pretending to be weak and helpless to drum up sympathy so they man can spare them? Or trick them into thinking that "succubi aren't dangerous, they just want sex" lie?
Most are probably charm first, offensive/defensive magic if that fails, evasive magic if that fails, then slain if they're not powerful to get away.
DeleteRosa, Nurse Honey and Nicole are all pretty powerful, so it's unlikely to get the 'succubus slain' part. Rosa has a lot of fairly powerful fire magic, so any would-be slayer has to be flame-proof as well as charm resistant.
LOL. Imagine paying for such mediocre art when you can get a better result by running a few prompts through an AI generator.
ReplyDeleteHe got scammed
Seems a bit mean.
DeleteI still haven't had much luck with AI art for sexy succubi and especially monster girls. It's great for abstract pieces, but pretty bad if you're trying to get a specific character design (unless it's copying an existing popular character).
Also, boobs or any kind of smexy seem to be a no-go unless you can localise it and train it on a specific image set. (my computer is no way powerful enough for that, but I think some people are looking into it).
Regular smut artists will probably be fine for work for a while (especially if the people behind the AIs continue to be no-fun-allowed wrt boobs and stuff).
That's a bit messed up to say that Atlantis 27's art of Vete is trash. It ain't. It actually looks cute, sexy, and elegant, especially when she's lying on the bed (to give the illusion that Vete looks harmless when she actually isn't)
ReplyDeleteSo Nicole is actually a powerful high level succubus? Is she on par with Nyte? Because if she is, then damn, she's really holding herself back when interacting with humans. Don't know why she needs to hide when she could take on a group of humans with ease.
I feel like a succubus that can not only mind melt you with pleasure, but also brutally kill you with her bear hands or combat magic feels a bit too OP to my liking. Rosa, Nyte, and Cerluea feel like they are the strongest succubi because of that versatility.
No warlock summons a succubus to be his battle companion am I right? They go for other daemons like wrath daemons. Although its depends on the daemon's level. Nyte scaring Joey Chalk's wrath daemon heavily implies that it's weak and low level while she is high level.
The Lovebomb succubus harlot didn't feel like a combat succubus. Hell if anything, Rosa and Nyte are combat succubi.
Nicole's strength is probably single-target seduction. She'd be less effective vs an angry mob, which is why she's careful.
DeleteI try to avoid giving the succubi super-strength where I can. I think that's a common mistake of a lot of vampire fiction. If something is powerful enough to just beat up prey with their bare hands, why would they bother with seduction/hypnosis/etc. I prefer to explain succubi overpowering a man as the succubi's charm abilities causing the man to subconsciously not want to fight back, so the succubus seems stronger and more powerful than she actually is.
Nyte is a notable exception to this, but she's seen as a little bit of a freak (and very scary because of it) in the succubus world.
Warlocks can summon daemons as battle companion, but they mostly use them for a wide variety of tasks (the main use of a succubus would be to seduce a target for information or to sow discord). The main point of that scene was to show Chalk is very juvenile in attitude and daemon summoning is not pokemon summoning and battling like he thought it was. A regular Wrath daemon beats up most of the other daemons anyway, as that's their speciality. Nyte, however, is not a regular succubus. Power level comes into it a lot.
"Combat succubus" is kind of a misnomer. That faction is mostly a nod to femdom wrestling fetishes, and generally in those the man isn't supposed to put up much resistance and let the domme do what she wants to him. Succubi are a little more powerful than that, and can handle themselves should the man decide to resist, but even with that, Atomica's lovebomb move is more a "bedroom play" manoeuvre than an actual fighting move.
Atlantis 27 art is good. Ya smoking if you are really going to downplay the dude's work. Drawing is no joke and some need to take classes in order to draw good. This generation has gotten so damn lazy relying on that AI bullshit.
ReplyDeleteAre we going to get humans that can fight the daemons Hydra? Nicole doesn't seem like a fighter and yet she can fight a well? We haven't really seen a single succubus or lust daemon or any kind of daemon for that matter get killed by a human. It just been wimpy humans dying like helpless sheep and it don't think a single daemon character died. Its actually starting to get a bit repetitive.
Like introduce a daemon hunter that can fight someone like Carny to a standstill to show that humans get get strong and become skilled.
The human protagonist technically won in the "Nazi vs Succubus", but that story is very fucked up. I do have plans for that character. He most definitely will develop into someone that can fight daemons. There might be others as well.
DeleteThe main problem is the purpose of most of the stories is to have a sexy succubus or monster girl get to do her thing. If she gets downed with a silver arrow through the skull before then, there's no sex.
(There are ways around that, I just haven't made a good job of incorporating them into stories.)
Carny is pretty much a daemon prince of the Dominion of Wrath. The only chance any human has against him is to put up enough of a fight Carny goes "Hey, you seem cool. I won't tear your spine out." On the upside, he's powerful enough that he doesn't really feel the need to be typically devil-evil. He's probably closer to the typical action hero that steps in to save a family or village being menaced by bandits. Not because he's good or cares about the victims, but because the odds are so lopsided it will be a "fun" fight.
Wait if Carney is a daemon prince, how does Joey Chalk's wrath daemon not know of him? And what about Verde and her sisters? Is Cerluea a succubus princess?
ReplyDeleteAnd what about those Arch Warlocks you introduced on the side before Phil did this test with them succubi in the college?
I don't think no human can really impress Carny. When you can have him rip the arms off someone faster than they can blink, he can speed blitz any warlock before they can even cast the spell.
The human literally needs to be Doom Slayer and Dragonborn combined just to fight Carny and so far, the warlocks are pretty weak. So weak that even the Harry Potter wizards can beat them up.
Chalk's Wrath demon does. If you read that bit again you'll notice Phil misreads the response. He thinks it's because he's asking who a random person in London is, in reality the daemon is bugging out because it's someone asking if he knows who the King of England is and he doesn't know why anyone would even ask the question. (Phil gets a lot of things wrong - he'll get better later).
DeleteMore powerful warlocks know who Carny is. In fact, one of the named characters is very familiar with who Carny is.
Daemons in horror tend to be unkillable on some axis, but also vulnerable to weird magic ritually stuff on another axis. Carny is no different.
The warlocks are less weak and more misinformed on certain rules. They're probably comparable to Potter wizards, but with a weak point that the daemons they rely on for power have neglected to inform them of some of the fine print.
I think Doom Slayer and Dragonborn are a bit too overkill even for Carny. Doom Slayer kills Icon of Sin and Dark Lord, two demonic gods that could easily take over the world.
ReplyDeleteAs for the Dragonborn from Skyrim? If we are going off Lore Accurate Dovahkiin, he can level mountains with the the dragon shout. (The Greybeards literally made a whole continent tremble with a whisper)
Maybe some one like Harry Dresden is a match for Carny?
Doom Slayer is probably a special case. Likely invulnerable to charm and seduction, which hampers Lust Daemons considerably. Probably powerful enough to shred lesser wrath daemons.
DeleteI know absolutely nothing about Skyrim, so can't comment on Dragonborn.
Dresden is technically outclassed, but also very sneaky and resourceful. I doubt they'd actually fight though. Carny doesn't really target the innocent and vulnerable Dresden feels obligated to protect.
What a minute...so you're telling me there was a nearly invincible daemon prince of Hell just walking around a human college campus in "Chance Glance"? That's actually worse than the succubi!
ReplyDeleteAnd how the hell can Carny just enter Earth without a warlock? I thought you said Hydra that it is difficult for daemons to enter Earth, but you had Carny, Boobella, and the wrath daemon that was with Boobella preying on humans at the college campus.
You also said that daemons had an emergency ability that allowed them to jump back to Hell instantly if they take too much damage and it was only way to send them back to Hell. The issue is that what human can forcefully send Carny or that other wrath daemon that was with Boobella back to Hell?
Carny likes chilling on the human world, usually at metal concerts.
DeleteCarny does a lot of 'favours' for people in the know. That gives him a lot of freedom to move around. Other daemons end up on Earth(s) through a variety of means and can generally stay until dismissed. Largely depends on how porous the barriers are between that Earth and the Dominions.
A "name" demonslayer type human (eg anyone that has their own TV show type hero), even without magic, would probably find Boobella and friend typical monster-of-the-week fodder. Carny would be the enigmatic character that shows up on their own agenda and mostly makes the hero happy they don't actually have to fight them.
Yikes, that's another can of worms just been opened up. Carny is a daemon prince? Holy crap that changes everything. The daemons get to have OP cheap abilities, but Hydra doesn't want to have a human demon slayer that can level mountains?
ReplyDeleteI think the reason why Me Hydra is so bothered by writing a succubus getting killed is that it ruins his femdom fantasy. It doesn't matter if lots of human characters have died, he will gladly kill them off for his daemons, but I don't know why he "shakes in his boots" at the idea of just one succubus getting killed.
Maybe he is like Kenkou Cross that created Monster Girl Encyclopedia and really doesn't want his precious succubi and monster girl "darlings" getting slain. But nevermind them, I'm more concerned of daemons like Carny or worse Mortacia Rose roaming Earth unchallenged.
Like I've said before, if the hot succubus gets killed in the first couple of pages, I don't get to write hot sex scenes with her and everyone is upset. :)
DeleteI do have ideas for offing various daemon characters, but their arcs haven't reached that point yet.
Generally, it's similar to "y no incubus" questions for the H-space stories. They are there, but because I'm mostly writing erotica with worldbuilding, and those scenes wouldn't turn me on, they fall into "it's there, but it falls outside of the window looking onto this universe" category. The human soldiers are more than capable of killing the minor daemons, but reading a story about burly marines massacring a bunch of demon imps that look like bratty teen girls probably isn't as fun as the one where the big-titted succubus captures a human and has a lot of sexy fun with them. Just assume the other stuff is going on in the background.
Doom Slayer only being able to kill lesser wrath demons from your Dominion of Wrath? Nah, you're really downplaying his lore accurate strength Hydra. As a big Doom fan, this will not stand.
ReplyDeleteDoom Slayer killed the Icon of Sin. A powerful ancient demon like god that can bend reality with its presence and scales to +Planet level because it could destroy Earth. If Doom Slayer didn't kill it, it would have gained the power to create a universe destroying black hole, so the Icon wasn't just a planet buster, it could have destroyed the whole universe if it was given time to grow in power in mankind's world.
With the Dark Lord (Davoth) is even more busted. He is a multiverse level threat that planned to unmake all of reality with his sheer rage, Hell was actually an extension of his power, and can create infinite realms that transcends the concept of time and space.
Doom Slayer killed both. Daemons like Carny, Cerluea, and Mortacia Rose would just be canon fodder to him.
It's tricky with taking Doom Slayer out of his own universe. He does destroy very powerful entities, but the nature of being a videogame character means the universe has to be set up to allow him (and by extension the player) to do that.
DeleteTranscribe him to different universes with similar rules, he's probably also very effective. He'd enjoy himself a lot in Warhammer 40K's universe, I reckon.
Move him to HPL's Cthulhu Mythos Universe, where the purpose of that universe is to show man is an insignificant as a gnat, he might have problems...
Not sure in mine. Humans are fairly insignificant, but it's not quite as bleak (I've always liked Brian Lumley's interpretation of Lovecraftian-esque settings). It's not too friendly to a Doom Slayer type character, but he'd still probably be able to do a ton of damage fighting back.
I do love the idea that a succubus is secretly unleashing a "subconscious signal" to a man's mind to make it difficult for the man to fight and hurt her or resist her. It kind of reminds me of Eida's power from the Boruto anime.
ReplyDeleteEida's power allows anyone observing her to become so infatuated with her that the person will not have the willpower to attack her. She can then manipulate people that fall for her to attack their allies.
I wonder if high end succubi have a power like this.
I think this is the better way to use a succubus. The default in horror is to have them go horror and fang the victim or rip their hearts out.
DeleteI always felt films like Jennifer's Body would have been much better if the arch-manipulator aspect of a succubus was played up rather than demon-rip-hearts-out element. A succubus that manipulated affections and essentially got a whole school to murder each other is far scarier than one that just butchers a couple of jocks. That story is considerably harder to write and also has to solve the problem of a physically weak succubus being an anti-climactic final battle.
(Although The Raid actually solves this with Yuyan's Mad Dog being the final "Boss" despite being the Big Bad's lieutenant.)
So since you said Hydra that succubi can drain women, can incubi do the same thing? But most incubi don't go for men because the human man who obviously isn't into guys is going to be more resistant and aggressive in beating down the incubi?
ReplyDeleteLike an incubus tries to seduce a man, but the man says he'll rip off his dick and shove it down his throat if he comes onto him. Will the incubus be terrified and will try to enlist help from a succubus?
Depends on the power of the incubus. If it's a powerful incubus you're going to put your dick in his ass or let him put his dick in your ass, and if he's really powerful, you're going to feel like you really want that regardless of whether you're straight or gay.
DeleteI'm straight and only feel comfortable writing straight erotica, so that side of the universe doesn't get as much attention. Incubi and monster dudes would work pretty much the same as the succubi and monster girls. They'd have similar varying powers and specialities.
I have to make a careful dance between creating and maintaining an internally consistent "lust dimension" and showing the aspects of it that are entertaining to the audience. And also playing to what's fun for me personally to write.
An example of this would be a recent H-space story I put out for patrons. A two-man sentry team gets ambushed by both a succubus and incubus. I describe in great detail what fun the succubus gets up. The readers are left to use their imagination on what happens to the poor sod that gets the incubus. :)
Thank you for replying back to me Me Hydra. I know you say that you can't write a sex scene with a succubus that gets killed, but I say nay.
ReplyDeleteI've read a few of your stories and you are brilliant and fully capable of doing it. You wowed everyone with the creation of the Succubi Fairies and managed to make them work.
A way you can write this narrative Hydra isn't really that hard. Have the succubus do her "thing" at the start or middle of the story, and then she gets killed by the end by a human demon hunter. That way you get both. The succubus still getting to do sexy stuff and than the daemon slaying.
You sort of did that "Nazi vs Succubus" but with the succubus actually dying instead of activating her "instant escape" ability.
I also agree that the marines slaying demon imps won't be interesting.
I think that is probably a way to do it. That would be very similar to every supernatural monster TV show that uses a succubus as a monster-of-the-week. The succubus does her fun stuff at the start. The heroes off or banish her in the second half.
DeleteNo idea why I haven't done it. I guess I probably get a little too attached to my monster girl creations. :D
Cool artwork and Verde is my most favorite succubus among the SS 101 gang. So when she chases after a normal man running from her, what will she do to make the man have sex with her? Does Verde run up to the man to try to forcefully give the man a deep "charm" kiss, or will she try to bite the man and inject him with succubus venom.
ReplyDeleteAlso can Verde freeze a man in the spot similar to what Rosa did to Phil when he tried to run away when she was draining his friend.
One more question: How will Verde react to a man calling her a terrible irredeemable monster for trying to prey on him?
I generally imagine Verde to have similar powers to fantasy-setting druids or super-villains like Poison Ivy. If the man resists Verde's basic succubus charms, the local flora is going to tangle him up and go to town on him.
DeleteAs for the last question, she'd probably ask if the man likes bacon or burgers and ask why it should be any different to her. She'll also point out he'll have a lot more fun with her.
I kinda want to see a succubus that uses food to lure in men. You know? She is a good cook that can make delicious steak, ribs, chicken and what not, but she uses her succubus magic to give the food an enchant.
ReplyDeleteAfter the man eats the food, he'll want to take a nap and that's when the succubus will make her move. The "magic food" paralyzed him, but makes his dick stand up and is experiencing the same sensation similar to succubus venom
The story could be set in a generic fantasy world with a adventurer dude needing a place to rest and the innkeeper is the succubus.
Yep, that's a fairly standard scenario. I think Monster Girl Dreams has a succubus innkeeper that tries to trap the player the same way.
DeleteThat was supposed to be how the first succubus in the aborted Okasare Kenny serial was going to be, but I let my personal preferences drag her into being more of an "exotic-whore-in-an-isolated-cottage" type.
I think that type of succubus works best if presented as a wholesome tradwife type... at least until the sun goes down and her true nature surfaces.